Photo: standing United Kingdom Embassy
On October 16, 2015, United Kingdom Ambassador Liu Xiaoming at the United Kingdom top BBC brands show "Newsnight" (Newsnight) Studio to accept the host Aiwen·daiweisi (Evan Davis) broadcast an interview with, introducing XI to United Kingdom visit the situation and answer questions about the Chinese economy, network security, the Sino-British economic and trade cooperation, investment, human rights questions. Interview record is as follows:
Davis: we are invited today to the Chinese United Kingdom Ambassador Liu Xiaoming. Ambassador Sir, good evening. Thank you for coming to our Studio.
Ambassador Liu: thanks for inviting.
Davis: If Britain and China swapped out, do you think that China would allow the United Kingdom contractors building nuclear power plants here in China?
Ambassador Liu: I would like to ask a question United Kingdom has sufficient funds to build nuclear power plants in China, please?
Davis: what if? Do you think there are?
Ambassador Liu: I'm not sure exactly. I think the United Kingdom want to joint investment in building nuclear power plants in China, because the United Kingdom needs China's capital and technology, China has advanced nuclear technology, more number of nuclear power plants in China than in many countries.
Davis: build a lot of nuclear power plants in China, and the United Kingdom could benefit from. But I believe that China will not allow the United Kingdom investment in China's nuclear power plants. I got a job from a Chinese Government website restriction or prohibition of the catalogue of industries for foreign investment than the United Kingdom limits more strictly. Directories including radioactive mineral exploration and mining, smelting, processing and packaging, nuclear fuel production, and so on. China has banned foreign investment in its nuclear power industry, do you think we allowed Chinese investment in United Kingdom practice of nuclear power plants is stupid?
Ambassador Liu: you are not stupid. In fact, you are very smart, knows how to make use of China's resources to make your nuclear power stations, United Kingdom benefit people. If you can, we would like to do.
Davis: this is a win-win situation.
Ambassador Liu: I agree with you, win-win situation.
Davis: a lot of other industries is the United Kingdom's strength, but China has banned foreign investment. Such as air traffic control. United Kingdom a strong air traffic control companies cannot enter China. There are postal services, auctions, golf course construction and management, and so on. Why China bans foreign investment in golf?
Ambassador: in fact, some overseas businessmen to invest in China golf. When was the last time you went to China?
Davis: this is on the list of prohibited foreign investment industries such provisions, this provision is obsolete?
Ambassador: in fact, there are many cooperative enterprises and foreign enterprises in China, there are many joint ventures in China ... ...
Davis: why is a joint venture? Why foreign businessmen investing in China ... ...?
Ambassador: they can enter China, establishing joint ventures. In this way, China's joint-venture partner foreign partner can help them understand the market. Just so you know, China and the United Kingdom are at different stages of development. As you said in the video says, United Kingdom advanced than China in many ways. China is still a developing country, we have one step at a time. We want to draw lessons from United Kingdom experience, avoid the United Kingdom had made a mistake. So we need to be careful in some areas.
Davis: this is a win-win thing, we are welcome to invest in China, allowing Chinese to enter the field. But sometimes it doesn't look equivalent.
Ambassador Liu: I don't think so. If you do not wait, United Kingdom, how can the EU after Germany's second-largest investment in China? Moreover, the United Kingdom investment in China continues to grow. So I think this is a win-win.
Davis: one more question. United Kingdom has many security concerns, today the times cited security concerns about nuclear cooperation. Fears of computer systems into the plant a "back door", so once the diplomatic dispute between the UK and China, China can bypass the United Kingdom control for nuclear power plants. In terms of safe, clean nuclear power plants, and nuclear power plant control issue, Chinese how reassured Britons?
Ambassador Liu: China will strictly follow international standards. Your intelligence will not be so stupid as to not know these things. China to the United Kingdom in order to win-win cooperation, we are not in order to control the United Kingdom nuclear plants. Control of United Kingdom nuclear power plants to China what good is it? If the parties want to be partners, there should be a basic trust between each other. If this negative development, Chinese companies may not dare to United Kingdom investment. If so, then, and Chancellor of the Exchequer George Osborne said "the United Kingdom is the most open to Chinese investment in the West country" runs counter to.
Davis: but this basic trust exist? Is said to be in Shanghai, there is a PLA 61,398 team building, issued a large number of cyber attacks: is this nonsense?
Ambassador: it's just rumor hype, I do not believe that is true. I'm telling you, the Chinese Government firmly opposes such an act. Not long ago, XI Jinping, President of the United States for a State visit, the two countries reached consensus on jointly combating cybercrime. China's network of government departments are not involved in any espionage, the Chinese Government will not support any such action. This is the commitment of the Chinese Government.
Davis: we believe this promise?
Ambassador Liu: If you don't believe us, and how to build partnerships?
Davis: but a leaked entitled Liberation Army acknowledged in 2013 Manual of the science of military strategy, China cyber attack forces. The cyber attack forces is going on?
Ambassador: I do not believe there is such a thing. I don't think China has the network attack force. China is opening up and cooperation countries. In fact, China itself is a victim of cyber-attacks.
Ambassador Liu: there is a well-known saying of Confucius. I'm sorry, but I'm going to bring you back to 3,000 years ago. Confucius says: "do unto others". This is what the Chinese philosophy, Chinese people believed in this philosophy. We are not going to attack anybody, because we are victim of hacker attacks.
Davis: to ask a question about human rights. If next week's United Kingdom loudly talking about human rights issues, such as protest, if opposition leader and Prime Minister when it comes to human rights issues and the British view of human rights, United Kingdom will cost in terms of trade and investment cooperation with China?
Ambassador Liu: I would like to ask you two questions: first, do you think the United Kingdom human rights situation perfect? Second, do you think the United Kingdom model of perfect? I think each State on how to improve its human rights record and on how to protect human rights has its own different national conditions. Do you agree with me?
Davis: I agree.
Ambassador Liu: How do you define human rights?
Davis: I am not criticizing China's human rights record. My question is not about the human rights situation in China. My question is, if the United Kingdom criticized the human rights situation in China, and China also criticized United Kingdom human rights ... ...
Ambassador Liu: is this what Mr XI to the United Kingdom on a State visit to purpose? We criticize each other's human rights record?
Davis: absolutely not! If the British side thinks the Bill of rights, United Kingdom will pay the price if lose China invested? I think if Mr XI to visit United Kingdom when criticizing United Kingdom human rights ... ...
Ambassador: it's not the Chinese way of doing things. You don't know Secretary: must not be "participation
Davis: I understand that Mr XI will not do.
Ambassador: we respect the other conditions. China's Constitution guarantees human rights. And human rights, in the final analysis is the internal matter of a country. I want you to take a comprehensive view of China's human rights cause. You know ... ...
Davis: I'm not going to debate human rights issues. My question is about the trade. Whether China will use the tools of the trade to stop talking about human rights issues in other countries?
Ambassador: of course not.
Davis: that is, if the United Kingdom to China about human rights issues, will not pay the price, trade and investment ... ...
Ambassador: do you think China will use trade as a weapon? This is definitely a mistake. Trade is a win-win. What we export you need to import what we need, this is a win-win situation.
Davis: that is to say, if we sometimes have different views on human rights issues, the two sides can continue to carry out economic and trade cooperation?
Ambassador: Britain and China are very different in social system, history, culture, both at different stages of development, there are different between us, this is normal. But we can still cooperate we can seek common ground. Do you agree with me?
Davis: I agree. I'm glad we see eye to eye. Finally, a brief question, Minister of health of our hunt talked about his Chinese wife and the Asian concept of work. He said hope United Kingdom as Asian people do the hard work of the people. Do you think British industry? Still enjoying too much welfare?
Ambassador: Britain and China can learn from each other. The Chinese people are very industrious, United Kingdom people creative.
Davis: you mean the British hard enough?
Ambassador: should say Chinese people more industrious. China's miracle, in 30 years ' time, from a backward country into the world's second-largest economy, I think this is due to the hard work of the Chinese people.
Davis: do you think in 40 years, and China would like the United Kingdom the same? You can do democratically elected President?
Ambassador: this goes back to a fundamental difference between us. Do you think the United Kingdom system is democracy, and we believe the Chinese system is democracy, we call it democracy with Chinese characteristics. United Kingdom's leaders are not elected. China's leaders are elected through indirect election. We elected deputies to the county level, step by step after the elected municipal, provincial and national people's Congress, and President elected by the national people's Congress.
Davis: this is a very large subject. We will have the opportunity to discuss.
Ambassador Liu: we spend the whole time in the evening to discuss the issue.
Davies: Mr Ambassador, thank you.
Ambassador Liu: you're welcome.